Curse

Miral · Jun 24, 2007, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by Roshi_ikkyu

The preset key idea is raised because of the influx of keyboards that have programmable keys (Like the G 11 and G15 from logitech, and lesser extent Z-boards), They key preset additions are only going to be come more popular and evident.
Anets stance on the matter is if a person has to press a key to activate a preset combo then they are still playing, and are not infact employing 'bot' devices.

I myself use a G15, and before people suggest botting, I use the hot key functions preset into one programmable key, so I press one button to achieve ctrl + v.

true... but then you'd still be spamming, which is also against the rules, and still be banned.... hehehehe gotta love it

Dr Strangelove · Jun 24, 2007, 10:19 PM // 22:19

We are at war with spammers. We have always been at war with spammers. Loot rations have been increased. Two spammers plus two spammers equals 5 spammers.

Seriously though, the OP is a moron.

Master Ketsu · Jun 24, 2007, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by sangdynasty

Well it seems that 1984 has come to GW. Big Brother has determined that we are unable as a community to use the chat feature as we feel is necessary or effective.

Players will now be "account marked" for trade in local chat and I, for one, beleive this is a mistake on ANets part. A gaming community should be molded and built by its players, not governed by arbitrary regulations enforced because some people dont like something.

Whats next?

Players should no longer look for groups in local, as we have a Party Searcch option.

Players will no longer recruit for their guilds in local, again theres a tab in the party search box.

etc.

Lets face it folks, the MOST COMMON conversations seen in ANY local chat in towns that arent considered "market" towns are all arguing, flaming and often quite immature and offensive. Rarely is there ever any real conversation between friends or associates as this tends to occur in PM's or team chat once people find each other.

Please feel free to "light me up" if you dont agree but I have heard from my relatively large guild and alliance that this change has just gone too far in policing our community. I dont feel that those of us that use local channel in large commerce centers for trade need to be "spanked" for doing what evolved as a common practice in the community WE developed.

Come on ANet, this isnt the war on terror, let US determine how we want to use the game resources that are available to us. We dont need a GW Patriot act to make us behave to the standard of the players that want free run of all local channels to spam their guild messages and call each other "noobs"

Regards
SANG

Is their a limit, restriction, or any real differance between loacal and the trade channel, which doesnt get you banned ?

Answer: no

Your argument is invalid.

Quit whining about having to use the trade channel for trade. Its quite possibly the stupidest thing you can QQ on.

Kook~NBK~ · Jun 24, 2007, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

I fail to see why people are justifying this crap rule with "people wanted it". Hey people have been wanting an auction house and a better trade system A LOT longer than this and those haven't shown up...

I stick with my point...fix the trade system. Don't ban people for using the system that was created.

1. It's not that people wanted the rule (it's always been there), it's that people wanted the rule enforced.

2. The lack of an auction house is no excuse for spamming. And the fact that A-Net hasn't gotten one as the people want is no excuse for not giving people what they want when it comes to spamming.

3. As others have already said, the all-chat is NOT the system A-net put in place for trading. They put in TRADE-chat for that.

amish lifeguard · Jun 24, 2007, 10:59 PM // 22:59

<3 100% agree.

Canadian Bacon · Jun 25, 2007, 06:01 AM // 06:01

The problem I have with the chat enforcement is that sellers really have nowhere to sell.
The trade channel in commerce towns moves too fast for anything to actually be read, and there are very few buyers in trade chat compared to the number of sellers. Non-traders keep Trade turned off, therefore they can't see what is being sold.
Sellers used to move into All chat because it was the only way to get noticed. Was it rude? Ya, a bit. I agree that spamming is crap, that's why I never spammed. But sellers now have a very hard time offloading their items, because nobody can see what they're saying!

WE NEED AN AUCTION HOUSE.

gone · Jun 25, 2007, 06:08 AM // 06:08

Lmao @ spammers cutting their own noses off to spite their faces.

I'd be willing to bet that none of the machine gun spammers have their chat windows fully expanded. - that's a free tip. lol.

Rurik Jangeer · Jun 25, 2007, 06:14 AM // 06:14

I completely agree with the recent chat updates. In fact, I would like them to take it a step further and make it so players would be more willing to use the Party Feature somehow. I really don't care how, but finding groups, trades, and guilds would be so much smoother using this tool.

Ninjitsukitsune · Jun 25, 2007, 06:21 AM // 06:21

you can actually go into a town and have local turned on... I see that as good, trade spam is annoying... leave it in trade, as for chatting only happening in whispers and team? ever been to pre? 3 people cant talk in a team now they can talk in local its good, I like this update :P complain about farming nerfs or loot scaling or something... don't complain about good updates o_O

way to go ANet now I only need to keep 2 channels permanantly off instead of three ;p

now how about an emote spam cap
no emote repeated by same person greater than x times in x minutes
then I could turn that channel back on too ^_~ lol

cyberjanet · Jun 25, 2007, 06:23 AM // 06:23

I don't really know how Anet are going to police the chat channel. I was in Lion's Arch yesterday and all there was in the chat channel was people selling stuff and recruiting for guilds. Someone asked a question that didn't get answered because it was hidden by the spam.

I'd still like to see a player-run anti-spam function. When someone is spamming you can /ban them and when the /ban hits a certain mark, that person's local chat is disabled for a period of time.

I have had some nice chats in places like Kodash Bazaar but mostly I just keep local chat turned off because it's unbearable.

Kook~NBK~ · Jun 25, 2007, 06:28 AM // 06:28

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Originally Posted by Canadian Bacon

The problem I have with the chat enforcement is that sellers really have nowhere to sell.

We have the Trade Channel and Party Search window. Not the best things in the world, I agree, but they do work.

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The trade channel in commerce towns moves too fast for anything to actually be read,

Party Search window doesn't scroll

And there are a lot more people looking there than the very few posts in there would indicate. Also, the more people that POST their wares there, the less scrolling there'd be in trade chat.

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WE NEED AN AUCTION HOUSE.

Yeah, it would be nice. Until *rolleyes* we get one though, people need to use what's available and show common courtesy for other players.

Glider of chaos · Jun 25, 2007, 06:33 AM // 06:33

hm.... so, OP point is that he don't like that text is moving really fast in trade chat? I have a solution for him

Just move to the int district. Yeh, it's that easy. There's hardly any spam in trade channel there ^^

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Actually I'm thankful to ANet for doing it. Now I have "All" chat turned on for almost all the time. Sometimes there are just morons screaming in towns but sometimes there are nice and fun conversations as well

bilateralrope · Jun 25, 2007, 07:31 AM // 07:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canadian Bacon

The problem I have with the chat enforcement is that sellers really have nowhere to sell.
The trade channel in commerce towns moves too fast for anything to actually be read, and there are very few buyers in trade chat compared to the number of sellers. Non-traders keep Trade turned off, therefore they can't see what is being sold.
Sellers used to move into All chat because it was the only way to get noticed. Was it rude? Ya, a bit. I agree that spamming is crap, that's why I never spammed. But sellers now have a very hard time offloading their items, because nobody can see what they're saying!

I don't see anything to suggest that the total number of traders has changed. But there were some people who chose to keep their trade messages in the trade chat beforehand (I remember LA having about 75% of the trade messages in trade chat before the rule enforcement) despite being at a disadvantage for doing so. So all that the rule enforcement has done is made an already existing problem more noticeable.

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WE NEED AN AUCTION HOUSE.

Well we need some form of trading system. An auction house would be best for the players, but other systems are likely to be easier to implement.

Operative 14 · Jun 25, 2007, 07:44 AM // 07:44

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Whats next?

Players should no longer look for groups in local, as we have a Party Searcch option.

Players will no longer recruit for their guilds in local, again theres a tab in the party search box.

Neither of these functions has a dedicated Chat channel however. Give me a Guild Recruitment channel and I will use it. Give me a Party Search channel, and I will use it. I will do so, just like I always used the Trade channel for all my trading needs, and the chat Channel for idle chit chat.

GeniusLoci · Jun 25, 2007, 08:06 AM // 08:06

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Originally Posted by sangdynasty

Lets face it folks, the MOST COMMON conversations seen in ANY local chat in towns that arent considered "market" towns are all arguing, flaming and often quite immature and offensive. Rarely is there ever any real conversation between friends or associates as this tends to occur in PM's or team chat once people find each other.

It's because it's spammed to hell.

There is another way - spam filter. Then at least I won't see one message 3333 times one after another. How do they think they can sell something in such environment.

prism2525 · Jun 25, 2007, 09:32 AM // 09:32

I couldn't believe my eyes when i went into Kaineng Eng 1. It was FULL yet not a trace of trade chat in all chat.

* thumbs UP anet *
* thumbs WAY DOWN trade spammers *

ryanryanryan0310 · Jun 25, 2007, 10:17 AM // 10:17

It's actually nice to zone to LA and don't see much spam. You can actually see and read what people are talking, mostly garbage but you can see it.....

NO MORE SPAMMING

drago34 · Jun 25, 2007, 10:18 AM // 10:18

I love this update... I CAN actually read my chat easily without having to speed through it lol.

Etta · Jun 25, 2007, 11:48 AM // 11:48

The OP is the yellow guy, anyone else is welcome to be the green guy.

EroChrono · Jun 25, 2007, 03:03 PM // 15:03

All spammers should be send to room 101

But honestly, why do you need 2 diffirent channels to sell your items? I reckon one is just fine..